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source I also recall reading of someone who recovered from HPPD with chronic high dose administration of Melatonin, but I can't seem to find the ... wait I didn't even try searching. Here we go (translation below): HPPDonline source Original source Sorry if the translation is a bit murky, I'm tired. So there we have it, chronic administration of high dose (5mg in this case report), anecdotally has the potential to even cure HPPD. Theoretically, taken the proposed pathogenesis of disrupted sensory gating, then Melatonin could indeed at the very least mitigate some symptoms of HPPD. Moreover I have found several studies indicating its anxiolytic potential. I myself just took 5mg's of Melatonin. Last night I smoked a bit of a joint, and woke up this morning with extreme visuals, with anxiety through the roof! Now, anxiety is gone, or at least very low, and my visuals have returned somewhat to baseline. Anyways won't be smoking MJ anymore, that was a mistake I knew to avoid. Anyway I'm curious to see what 5mg of Melatonin does on a "normal" day. I suppose chronic administration would yield a greater effect.

From what I've read... vice versa?

Hey Ghormeh, just wondering whether you've experienced any benefits from Gotu Kola and Bacopa Monnieri? I was reading up a bit on Bacopa, and found it has anti-convulsant effects. I have used it myself, but in a nootropic "stack" (AlphaBrain). Recently I read it needed 12 weeks incubation for effects to emerge. Furthermore, it seems that Bacopa could potentiate Calcium Channel Blockers.. I don't know if "pre-synaptic calcium channel inhibition" (Keppra) is the same. In any case, perhaps it would be worth looking into as an adjunct to Keppra, or at least whether to avoid it with Keppra. If it would not harm the interaction of Keppra, it could be a nice sustainable anxiolytic nootropic adjunct. I initially overlooked Gotu Kola because it is a GABA receptor agonist, which would induce GABA receptor downregulation. However it might be suitable for occasional use, like benzo's. Curious to whether the effect might be similar to Kava. EDIT: I also recall reading something about 5HT2C receptor modulation by Bacopa, but can't seem to find details at the moment. Might be an interesting effect as well.

Haha yes indeed, but it was a couple of hours before dinner, and maybe half an hour after Tenoten, that I started getting so tired. Hmm I did have some strange dreams, but that could've been unrelated. I'll spare the details, but it involved being tortured in a Russian tower? Weird, disgusting and vivid. But I slept pretty good nonetheless. Haven't done any double dosing today, only single doses. Honestly I haven't slep very long (perhaps 5 hours), so being tired would be attributed to that. Not much anxiety, just extremely bored. Nothing else going on really, besides having a friend over today. Hopefully he'll help me break out of this routine of looking at the calender most of the day. Weather hasn't been to forgiving lately either.. Had to cancel a trip to Belgium. At least my cabin fever isn't totally self-induced! Anyway my next update will be next week, have some appointments scattered out over that week.

CDP-Choline is a good substitute for Alpha GPC, from what I recall from experimenting with Piracetam. Check the Longecity forum if you want to know more about nootropics, they have a little niché going on there. Also, I haven't read through the entire topic, but I thought B6 was good for those things? 5000µg B12 is a lot though.. that's 200000% of daily need I believe? Glad you're doing better

Just a quick update: I received the Tenoten today. Took two initally, felt suuuuuper tired. So I guess sedatives are inherently anxiolytic, but a clear mind was largely absent. However I did notice less paranoia when having dinner in a jam packed restaurant, which was very nice. However I really just wanted to lay down on the couch I was sitting on, and it took me a hell of a lot of willpower to stay upright (2 hours of all-you-can-eat). I just took one an hour ago, any feeling less overwhelmed by the effects. Just tired really. Which is nice, cause I need to sleep early tonight. So if this stuff doesn't help clearing my mind, at least it could help with sleep. One of the people I initially discussed Tenoten with reports having some visual quirks from it, but he said it could just as well be the other supplement he started taking. Interestingly, I don't think my visuals can get much worse than this, so I'm not all that afraid of that. Rather have more visuals with a sharper mind. I did notice some intermittent broadening of my perceptions.. how to put it. You know when you feel you don't really take in everything around you at once? Well that was a bit less with Tenoten, but like I said, it fluctuated. Anyway too early to really appoint any concrete effects, I'll take it for the following week and see what happens. I've given tDCS a rest (allthough I made several alterations and have fooled around a bit.. but I will try not to touch it) for the time being, so as to asses the effects of Tenoten. For those of you interested, the Foc.Us is available for pre-order. I still need to scavenge some money together for it, but I'll buy it soon. Cheers.

Ghormeh: Perhaps. But I think frequent and deep meditation is more beneficial for those "superpowers". Biofeedback as well. Regarding pain issues, tDCS has been proven beneficial for pain relief, perhaps give that a glance. Acupuncture is also good for pain apparantly, as proven by the military.

I doubt I'm cognitively susceptible to hypnosis. Also I am largely biased as I think it's a load of bull. There's a lot of seemingly pseudoscience out there that actually does work (think acupuncture), but IMO hypnosis definitely isn't one of them. It requires you to allow it to happen, something I would never do. Who would want someone else intruding and prodding around in their mind? So even if I think it could actually work, no thank you. Also I think there are far more effective therapies for the treatment of anxiety. Kind of ironic I suppose because hypnosis requires you to be relaxed. I doubt it would be beneficial, besides it's largely outdated. That said, if you have other literature or thoughts that suggest it could help you.. I'd say go for it. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger right? Well, not by definition, but that's not the point here. However there is that one factor that is key in choosing treatment approaches, which is finances. Be sure to prioritize your treatment plans by likelihood of effect. It would suck to spend all your money on something, that in retrospect had little chance of being effective, only to leave you with no money for the following treatment plan. Choose wisely

Hello. Firstly, I appreciate the effort you've put into this. There seems to be a handful of people actually researching HPPD on this forum, and I've been considering to round them all up so we could work together on different theories etc.. but that's for another day. I have a few remarks regarding your idea. IMO, there's a distinction between VS and HPPD, mainly it's cause. I think it would be unwise to unite them, as they already both fall under Perceptual Disorders. However, I do firmly believe there are different flavors of HPPD. Mainly the following two: the sweet flavor of only visual symptoms, and the more sour flavor of HPPD with all common "co-morbid" (I put quotation marks, because I believe these are intrinsic to HPPD) symptoms. I think these should require distinction. PHPVD (Post Hallucinogen Persisting Visual Distortions/Disorder) and PHSD (Post Hallucinogen Sensory Distortions/Disorder) would be appropiate names. The DSM has dedicated relatively little effort to this disorder indeed, and the diagnostic criteria are insufficient. Moreover it requires basically all other psychiatric and neurologic disorders to be ruled out before being able to diagnose HPPD. This is absurd, and is one of the causes why getting help for HPPD is such a tedious process. I don't know about "medical disorder", but don't all countries use the DSM for referance? Hence all countries could consider HPPD as a psychiatric diagnosis. However, again the DSM criteria falls short in these regards, for there is not a single mention of possible neurological involvement. This makes getting a qEEG difficult if not impossible for many people I would suppose. It does for me at least. All in all, I think your idea of a questionnaire is very wise. This could be an elaborative inquisition of simple yes/no and 1-5 rating questions, but also leaving the option for any further comments on what they feel encompasses HPPD predominantly. E.g. I saw Visual reported to feel "an alien anxious feeling, not like normal anxiety". This I experience as well, like a feeling that has never before been felt, from an entire other dimension. Again, I emphasis that putting VS and HPPD under the same term would not be beneficial. Perhaps convenient at the least, but convenience can lead to imprecision (hell is that an English word.. multi-linguality sucks when you've got HPPD.. I throw 3 languages together into some Klingon jibberish soup most of the time). For me I experience many symptoms. Aside from the classic visual symptoms, I believe the accompanied symptoms are the worst. The aforementioned word-recall/speech problems can be very annoying. Sometimes language seems like some weird system in which the meaning of words are way too amiguous and they could have no impact whatsoever. The meaning of words are just totally out of balance, and this consists with reports that thoughts feel as if they are filtered through the wrong tunnel. Hence random words or thoughts can make you anxious if they get funneled through this filter, leaving this messed up anxious "link" to the thought or word. This all is particularly demoralizing because rapping used to be one of my few artistic outlets, and I simply can't rap anymore.. it sounds horrible, no flow, I stumble over words, etc. Even songs I listened (and rapped along) to over 1000 times I can't rap anymore.. Strange. Other symptoms I have include, but are not limited to: The well known DP/DR dilemma Severe cognitive deficits. I cannot emphasize enough how demoralizing this can be. Certainly there must be more of us experiencing this. Hell I used to be the best of my class, now I can't even comprehend Pythagoras' equasion. Strange/different/lessened body feeling; deficits in motorfunction/coördination. The above combined with speech issues, might indicate more involvement of the sensorimotor cortex and other sensory areas of the brain. It is the common belief that HPPD is limited to the visual apparatus, however I believe other sensory areas could well be affected. Loss of emotions. Hell I can't even cry about this torture, even if I try. I need freaking drugs to be able to cry. How lame is that? Loss of love and empathy; I am rude and short-tempered with and to people, whereas before I was a patient, loving person. Also my speech timing is very off, making social situations strange. There's also a diminished feeling of connection to people, which results in a lessened ability to feel what a person is trying to convey. As if interactions is merely a scientific thing, no spirit. This subtle, yet noticable, paranoid feeling. Not like actually being paranoid, but I notice anytime I walk thru my living room, I think of the people outside who can see me. Seriously, it's ridiculous, but it's there. Can't think of more now, but there are many simple subtle things I notice that have changed. And in life, small things added up are worse than one big problem. My personal experience is an example of the diversity of HPPD. Not everyone experiences these things, but the majority I believe (I could be wrong) report similar things. Collecting symptoms of say, 300 people, could help categorize symptoms of HPPD, making it easier for people to determine whether what they have is actually HPPD. I only realized I had HPPD after reading several posts of people reporting co-morbid symptoms, not only the few symptoms reported on the Wiki page (and DSM for that matter). In all, I think a survey would be a great idea! But it would be hard to contact sufficient HPPD sufferers. Let alone those with an "official" diagnosis of HPPD. Most cases are self-diagnosed. I think this forum is a great area for HPPD sufferers, and have been very grateful to use it. However I believe there is need for a portal for those who wish to dedicate themselves to collaborative research. Like I said before, there are a handful of people conducting personal research, however the results are limited (calculate in cognitive deficits, point proven), and I think the community research would benefit greatly from said portal, with the prerequisite that there is sufficient activity to enable likeminded people to connect frequently, and thus making it less daunting to comb through hours and hours of complicated research all alone. Also it would provide a plateau for incorporating the theories of others, which might've been overlooked previously. Taks could be divided amongst members, allowing the process of research to be sped up. I would do the honor of initiating this project, however I, like many others, lack some form of motivated discipline to dedicate myself to such a thing. However, if and when I do get rid of HPPD (which seems to be the case in the near future), I will dedicate my time and effort to this. That's all the suggestions I can think of for now, sorry if the majority seems unrelated. Main conclusion: subdivided HPPD seems to have more priority IMO than joining HPPD and VS.

It seems that Flunarizine, like Clonidine, works on Calcium transmission. This is a mechanism that seems to be involved in HPPD's pathogenesis, and has potential for future treatment ideas. I have yet to study the ins and out of this mechanism in HPPD, but so far I have put off research, as I will most likely get treatment soon. However, once I get my cognition back (god I hope I get it back, I loved my cognition more than anything in the world), I will do my best to research it. I consider studying Neurology once my mind allows me. As with many medications, I am sure there are other agents with a similar action, so perhaps for those of you willing to test out this good news for yourself, consider a comparable substance. EDIT: I re-read the first post.. Seems you would know a hell of a lot more about Flunarizine than me.

I'd give both and then some to get rid of HPPD, no doubt in my mind. Anyways regarding activity: it would definitely be nice not to be one of the few spamming the forum.. I wonder how many members are actually active? I doubt it's more than 100. That said, I know there are only 200 known cases of HPPD in this country, so perhaps there are just not that many HPPD sufferers out there. Which I suppose is a very good thing. Either way some more activity would be great, if even it's only people posting about how well they are doing and that that's why they are inactive.

Don't drink coffee after 4 pm. Switch to tea if you must. The supplements bpl mentioned are also definitely worth a shot, Kava does wonders for insomnia, and is one of the few sustainable substances lacking ill effects or addictive properties. Phenibut can be used on occasion, but only on occasion. It's basically an OTC benzo. Make sure you get sufficient exercise in the day, making you more prone to sleep at night. Doing some push-ups and other exercises before dinner can definitely help, then making use of the post-dinner lethargy can aid your falling asleep. As cliché as it is, warm milk with honey and .... what's the stuff. Anijs? Google translate... Anise! That can make a difference, if not at least calming you down a bit. Don't smoke in the hour prior to bed. Refrain from alcohol as well. Try writing if you really can't sleep, sometimes there's just to many thoughts in your head. Getting into a rhythm is also key. If you find there's nothing to wake up for, then dedicate yourself to making an awesomely elaborative healthy breakfast every morning. Add cleaning up, and you've already made it through an hour of the day at least. Perhaps get a small pet to take care of, like a rat. They're intelligent, empathetic animals that require your attention and time. Remember to get them in pairs. This can fill a good portion of your day. Doing simple, slow stretches can really help, like yoga. Keep doing these however lame it feels, untill you feel some relief. Remember, gentle attitude helps. Wave away those thoughts, however disturbing they might be. Breathe. Have a playlist of soft, relaxing music, if you feel the need for it. Waves crashing on the beach, or tropical rainforest soundtracks can help. I haven't tried it myself, but I am planning to: aromatherapy sounds lame, but having a nice scent to help faciliate a relaxed atmosphere could be beneficial. Hang a picture of a beautiful, or memorable landscape on the ceiling above your bed, try to dream away if you can't keep your eyes closed. If you still aren't able to go to bed at a proper time, try to set an alarm. E.g. you're awake untill 7 am, set an alarm for (minimal) 5, or (maximum) 8 hours later. 7+5=lunchtime. This can make the difference between sleeping the next night, and doing the whole thing over again. You will not have had enough sleep, and thus you will sleep earlier. Try to sleep before lunchtime. If not, say you fall asleep at 4pm, try to calculate how to go about with sleep that will result in waking up in the morning. So 4 pm, you haven't slept all night, so you are tired. Sleep untill 8 or 9, stay awake untill 2 or 3, sleep untill 7-9, 10 at most. This can help break you back into rhythm. If all else fails, watch a lot of movies, or research stuff on the internet that interests you, untill you can't anymore, and then do the above. Count your breath. Even with a shitty memory, you can always count 1 in, and 2 out. Whenever your attention shifts, bring it back to your breathe. Meditation for the invigilant That's all I can think of for now. Reading all that makes me sleepy! I'll add more if I think of anything useful. Sleep well!

Visual: send me a message if you're interested in exchanging theories.. don't want to throw this topic off it's rails with neurological speculation Boogres: that's great! Why the weed though? There's a plethora of alternative anxiolytic adjuncts without the ill effects weed has on HPPD. I think it's the tedious waiting that cuts people off to soon. It's hard.. no it's a freaking mission, to have patience in this loveless, joyless state of mind. IMO people waiting for meds to kick in, or for that matter, waiting to get help in general, should really consider some form of adjunct substance. Nothing harsh, just the subtle stuff. Kava Kava can make a day go from "I think I'm going crazy, and I'll never get better" to "I've made it this far, I am still determined to get passed this and live a happy life." There are many of those (well-deserved) "breaks" available in different forms. I read about people getting addicted to heroïne and such, and other forms of self-destructive behaviour, after acquiring HPPD. This is also some form of trying to escape the mental torture that accompanies HPPD. There are safer, more enjoyable and responsible ways to do this. Right now I'm under the influence of Phenibut, and I only really take the stuff if I think I can't stand it any longer. I prefer Kava Kava which is much lighter, but I ran out of that amazing tea. This is the first time in a month that I've taken it. Just knowing that if I can't stand things any longer, that I have this stuff at my disposal, makes the "FML-episodes" less in frequency and severity. Aside from substances, there are also many other things that can calm you down, like yoga, even if it's only 2 minutes. Obviously I hope that Keppra will work for me once I get it, preferably within a few days. However there's always a chance this is not the case, and the only thing to get through that initial disappointment is determination, however hopeless you feel. That, and memories of the people you love, however vague and distant those may seem. Determination is what got me this far, and there's a good chance I'll be getting Keppra this month. Anyways this might just be influenced jibbering, but I felt it was appropiate to give some form of insight on how I cope with "the waiting", for those of you who are also sick and tired of it. 415_STYLEE: How are things going? Got your life back on track?

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I'd rather keep flying to Boston as a last resort. Tolcapone I'd rather not take for various reasons; first I wouldn't know whether I have the correct polymorphism, second it can be hepatoxic and third it's unsustainable. I don't know really what other possibilities to be honest.. My interpretation is that they haven't the first clue what HPPD is, and they'd rather have it be something else so they can "work with it" (read: make money). In any case, they want to rule out all known psychiatric and neurological disorders before concluding that maybe possibly and differentially there could be a chance that I have HPPD. But there's good news. I just came off the phone with aforementioned specialist. Aside from possibly being irritated by my constant interruptions, he seemed to be very willing to help, and I have to call back tonight to make an appointment. This will be in 2 weeks. From our brief discussion I understood treatment options included SSRI's (told him I wanted to skip that, seemed ok with it), Clonidine, Clonazepam, Lamotrigine, and something else I forgot. When he said "anti-epileptics", I jumped in with "levetiracetam?!", and he said that they used Lamotrigine. Wish I had inquired further about the possibility of implementing Keppra in my treatment, but I felt perhaps it would be best to discuss that in person. From what I can collect, he'd probably be willing to give it a try, but I won't get my hopes up. Just seems to me that someone so experienced with HPPD would be easier to convince to try Keppra, than any other doctor. I'll be sure to bring the relevant studies and testimonials along. All I need to do now is get a referral from the addiction clinic, and charge some money to my public transport card. And my Frankenstein project isn't really biofeedback. It's tDCS. But yeah same neurological niché I suppose. It isn't meant for brainwave detection/entrainment. It is solely for altering the excitability of different areas in a (semi)focal manner. So far effects are above what I had anticipated, and I'm pleased to experience this. As stated before, I'll be putting off this project for the time being. Perhaps I'll use it as an adjunct to Keppra, be it that I get it. Seems to be very transient.. Upon further reading I found that for depression the standard treatment is twice daily with 2mA intensity (higher than what I've been able to achieve so far). Thus perhaps with that regime, effects will be longer lasting. Studies indicate that with frequent sessions, duration of effect is extended after each session (as if the brain is primed to receive the effects). Note: not in an exponential way. U-curvature seems to be a prominent factor in science. As with many things, too much of a good thing ain't good. Anecdotally, overstimulation causes adverse effects (feeling retarded). However that was a guy who did 5 sessions a day for like a year. My next trial will probably include cathodal stimulate of the visual cortex, and perhaps effecting the sensorimotor cortex (need further referance for stimulation type), and also ventromedial PFC stimulation (again, need further research regarding + or - stimulation favorability). Any ideas are welcome, I'd be happy to test other people's theories In the meantime I'll entertain myself with researching to what extent calcium transmission is involved (think flunarizine, clonidine, etc. effects). Visual if you'd like a copy of my (incomplete) research, send me a message.

A little update on my situation: So far I have done.. I believe 4 sessions of tDCS. The first of which, I had very good effects, the second and third little to none, and the fourth came very close to the first. Regarding the first and fourth session: visual recall was better, fluidity of thought was better, working memory was better, mood elevated, anxiety lowered. And perhaps most importantly of all is the lack of derealization. I had these transient, yet very vivid, flashes back into reality. Haven't been able to extend the length for over a minute now, but when they did happen... Oh man! I haven't felt that alive in the past year! Regarding visual effects.. Despite VS not clearing up, many other symptoms did, and there were brief moments where I felt completely normal. However, I decided that yesterday was my last session for the time being. This does seem to prove some of my theories definitely are logical, I just don't see why these "realization episodes" are so very shortlived. Perhaps I am just barely reaching the brain area responsible for the effects, who knows. I think the more forward on my PFC I put the anode, the better the effect, at least that's how it seems so far. Anyway, today I am contacting the HPPD specialist of Holland. Yup, that's right. Can't believe I missed that in this entire year. Feel simultanuously equally stupid and relieved. I'll post back once I know more. Anecdotally it seems they only treat HPPD with Venlafaxine... Really don't want that stuff to be honest. Doubt it will work too, as I've already tried Prozac without effect. Besides, Keppra seems like a more logical choice. I hope they are willing to consider it. But like I said, I'll know more later this afternoon. Be well people

Hello! I can't believe I've been having HPPD for 1,5 years and never even thought of googling whether there's a specialist in Holland. And I never really did. I just did a search on 'hppd'... Via a Dutch bodybuilding forum I got linked to the "drugsinfoteam". Seriously! That I didn't think of it before! I feel so stupid. Anyway, apparantly there's a "Medical Consultation Hour for Partydrugs". I've translated the text to English, please read the second quotes for English. Translation: The following is quoted from: http://www.drugsinfoteam.nl/drugsinfo/xtc/xtc-depressie/ Translation: Again.. How the hell did I overlook this? What? Does not compute. Well I found it now, right?! Anyway I'm glad to find that there is some sort of "expertise" with HPPD in this country. I'll be making a phonecall soon, and see if I can make an appointment. Feeling somewhat releived to know this, albeit not knowing the extent of there helpfulness yet. At least there are people who have experience with HPPD!!! My day can't get any better. I hope that by posting this, current, and future HPPD sufferers in the Netherlands (and surrounding countries perhaps) will be able to get acute help with their HPPD. May you all be well

Just wondering as I'm getting some Klonopins soon: Does it make you feel dumb? E.g. foggyness, slowness, feeling of stupidity/incomprehension/confusion? Cause I have enough of that as is, and I doubt if that effect was present that the benefits would outweigh it. Update: sorry, I'm tired, didn't read the giant "Klonopin makes me retarted" headline there. Dismiss my question.

'Nuff said. Enjoy! PDF

The PDF was copied and pasted by a kind member of the VS Yuku page. Here's the link.

I tried high CBD hash a couple of months back. 2 puffs and I was having an anxiety attack that lasted for a few hours. Hate to scare you away from it, but trust me it's just not worth the risk if you are susceptible to it.

Wow this thread seems to have deranged and digressed from the original subject. Regarding possible cures: NIBS (non-invasive brain stimulation) such as tDCS (transcranial direct current stimulation) look very promising. I'm currently still accumulating research and evidence, and will be self-experimenting with tDCS shortly. If anyone wishes to help me out, or would like 2 weeks worth of article gathering, give a shout. I've got a lot of research regarding hallucinations, visual cortex/occipital lobe, epilepsy, visual perception, etc. etc. etc. The rough idea is to apply cathodal stimulation to the visual cortex (lowering hyperexcitability), and anodal stimulation to the prefrontal cortex (raising PPI, which seemed to be the main goal for Dr. A's recent study). However, there are many regions of the brain that could be involved with HPPD, so it might not suffice. Nonetheless the ability of NIBS to alter excitability of cortical areas is highly intruiging, moreover it exhibits potential for treatment. I had a thread open on it, but it was a lot of incomplete stuff so I removed my findings. That, and there seemed to be very little interest. Still working on it though, and once I have a more substantial hypothesis, I'll post a final revision online. Hopefully that will include the case report of an individual being releived of HPPD by tDCS. Lastly, there are a plethora of speculated involved mechanisms in the pathogenesis of HPPD which haven't been explored yet for treatment targetting. Cheers.

[PDF] Increased visual cortical excitability in ecstasy users: a transcranial magnetic stimulation study Something I found whilst looking for correlations between NIBS and HPPD. Perhaps of interest to some of you here. Enjoy!

Hey ludwig, thanks for the advice! I think it's too late to take back my HPPD claim. Any doctor I'll see from now will be able to read my file. And the private clinic I'll be seeing, well... is a private clinic. I could have an qEEG for fun if I wanted to there, as long as I pay. So alas.. I've ordered two of the correct CRD's from the UK, so that should be here shortly. Sponge electrodes I can apparantly make myself with some copper plating, so I'm consulting some people on how to go about doing that. I also found that my brother has full access to PDF versions of a lot of useful books, such as "Vision: from Neurons to Cognition", which would otherwise cost me 100's of dollars to get the books I want. I'm currently printing out 300+ pages of information relevant to HPPD and perception. Lastly I've found someone who is able to... how to put this.. procure levetiracetam for me. So that's wonderful news with some drawbacks. I'll just keep the Keppra handy for when all else fails, as there's no endless supply where this came from. Rather go the more legal route obviously. Besides, I don't have it yet. Plus I 'promised' the doctors I would abstain from medical experiments. Tenoten seems to be a slow delivery, but it has finally departed from Ukraïne, so it should be here shortly. So once more I'm slowly, very slowly, crawling towards a better headspace. Will update if anything significant happens.