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Visual snow, Palinopsia before and after 1st use of Ecstasy/MDMA


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In 2011, during a month, I developed a lot of neurological symptoms (I was 20 and then only marijuana several times in my life) - visual snow, palinopsia after images, floaters and tingling of the whole body (24/7), muscle fasciculations.
In 2011-2014 I was diagnosed comprehensively (MRI, cerebrospinal fluid, evoked visual potentials, blood etc.). It only turned out that I was infected with Bartonella. I treated myself for several weeks according to ILADS, but finally I gave up. I have learned to live with these symptoms since accepting treatment failure in 2014. Now some of the symptoms are gone, some are still present (like VS, body tingling).

Now to the point. A week ago I had the opportunity to take half a pill of ecstasy/mdma (it was my first time in my life, I only thought that LSD can cause permanent vision problems, so under the influence of alcohol I took half a pill). That night I also drunked a loooot of vodka and beer. And I don't remeber second half of the night.
The next day I sobered up and read that MDMA may also cause/worse with HPPD/ VS. I got stressed and think my visual symptoms have got a little worse. But I wonder if it's not that under stress and paying attention to visual snow, palinopsia - I just see them more...?

1. Is there anyone here who caused (or worsened) visual snow, palinopsia - after images by ONLY ONE (1st) USE ecstasy / mdma ? I took a half a pill and drink a lot of alcohol (Does alcohol weaken the effect of ecstasy in the brain?)

2. Does it pass someone or is it permanent forever?

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yo,

Im from Brazil, and here, we don t have that attention to hallucinogens type of drugs, specially, because there is a drug war here, like the government (police) and the drug deal of some hard drugs, like crack.

Only a few doctors give a shit bout the problems that hallucinogens can drag to someone.

I also, before starting using some drugs, had some visual problems (VS, after img, dp/dr and floaters), but it was a thing that I never paid so much attention to it.

During a year, I used to smoke weed 4 times a month and used MDMA, MDA and Ecstasy during EDM concerts (Once I used cocaine by mistake).

My mom never did any drug, and she has those symptoms too, we had an oppened conversation about, so I can confirm that she never used any type of drug. My little brother has it too and he is 10yo.

I don t kno how ur body reacts to some stuff, but, several times of having nothing, I thought I had a serious sickness and shit like that. Because almost all my life I had anxiety and since the age of 15 I struggled with some hypochondria.

When I started using some drugs, I had a feeling that my usual symptoms were worse, I developed some new symptoms too and during this time, I was veery anxious about it, maybe it triggered it more. I spend several months trying to push hppd down im my head.

Nowadays, I'm cool, my old symptoms seems to be like the usual, as they always were before drugs and they are very mild, nothing from the drug use is here anymore.

My advice is, start looking around, go see the world in your own way, stop thinking in a box in your head and try to stay calm for a bit.

Talk to a psychiatrist or a neuropsychriatrist about what can anxiety do to a person.

If u r not being capable of it, take a prescription for some benzos and take it for like two to three weeks (I personally preffer xanax).

Prolly u are just in a long blue monday, like a hangover. Wait for a bit. Give your body some time.

Stay away from drugs, it will give u more anxiety and it will lower your body capacity of recovering.

You will be okay. Try to relax.

ps. I also work in a company that requires a good english speak, how is my english going? lol.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, badhalfsack said:

You will be okay. Try to relax.

ps. I also work in a company that requires a good english speak, how is my english going? lol.

Hi, thanks for your reply, it gave me a lot! I easily understood everything so I can assume that there are not any problems with your language skills :)

Do you remember the start of your symptoms before drugs or do you think you have them since birth?

Greets from Poland!


 

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You made a mistake (taking mdma), you cannot reverse that mistake... So try to learn from it (don't get so drunk that you take mdma again!) and then put it out of your mind. Dwelling on unfixable problems is just wasted energy. 

Mdma can make you worse (a lot worse), so try to stay away from those situations. Also, getting so drunk that you can't remember can also make hppd much worse, so be aware of your drinking levels.

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1 hour ago, Jay1 said:

You made a mistake (taking mdma), you cannot reverse that mistake... So try to learn from it (don't get so drunk that you take mdma again!) and then put it out of your mind. Dwelling on unfixable problems is just wasted energy. 

Mdma can make you worse (a lot worse), so try to stay away from those situations. Also, getting so drunk that you can't remember can also make hppd much worse, so be aware of your drinking levels.

Thanks! You are right
Two questions:
1. When you already have a HPPD/VS smoking weed (only once) it is also mistake (like taking once MDMA), am I right?
2. Worsening of symptoms after such one taking mdma (100 mg) - how long can it take to get back to state as before ?

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Hey there,

How r u?

I remember, since I was kid, looking things and seeing something that weren t supposed to be there. And I remember having tinnitus.

Also remember the day I felt some stronger visuals after a EDM concert, we had a fucking great time that day. Me and my friend we were at his bedroom talking, I looked to the wall and saw a whole lotta quantity of VS. I asked him "hey, does mdma, after using it, fuzzes ur vision too?" He denied.

That day, I started looking more about hppd, because I already knew this condition existed.

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5 hours ago, terye90 said:

Thanks! You are right
Two questions:
1. When you already have a HPPD/VS smoking weed (only once) it is also mistake (like taking once MDMA), am I right?
2. Worsening of symptoms after such one taking mdma (100 mg) - how long can it take to get back to state as before ?

I'm also chatting to you on reddit, so answering similar questions /jimmybirch

1) All psychoactive substances have the risk of making your symptoms worse.

2) No one knows, everyone is different... Could be a few days, could be never.

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14 minutes ago, Jay1 said:

I'm also chatting to you on reddit, so answering similar questions /jimmybirch

1) All psychoactive substances have the risk of making your symptoms worse.

2) No one knows, everyone is different... Could be a few days, could be never.

Ok, it's just my curiosity - the  "hierarchy" of harmfulness/risk for HPPD looks like this LSD> MDMA> WEED> ALCOHOL?

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4 hours ago, Jay1 said:

I'm also chatting to you on reddit, so answering similar questions /jimmybirch

1) All psychoactive substances have the risk of making your symptoms worse.

2) No one knows, everyone is different... Could be a few days, could be never.

4 hours ago, terye90 said:

Ok, it's just my curiosity - the  "hierarchy" of harmfulness/risk for HPPD looks like this LSD> MDMA> WEED> ALCOHOL?

I believe that there isn't a hierachy, because everybody reacts to these kind of substances on their own way, but like Jay said: all psychoactive substances have the risk. But as the hallucinogen class is higher there is a bigger chance of things go to shit.

Like I tried weed after spending a year and a half out of these kind of drug, Did nothing to me, but to somebody else could be a worsening experience, like, I remember seeing a post here of a girl that went to hppd2 by smoking weed.

I also remember Jay saying that hppd from weed tends to have a good recovery.

If u want to try, wait ur hppd to be stabilized and try to maintain ur consume to non psychoative subs. Alcohol to me doesn t seem to have any negative side effects to my hppd, but I only returned to drink when I was in a stabilized

The main advice is staying away from all these types of drugs. Just benzos if u r really needing a escape valvule

 

 

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13 hours ago, terye90 said:

Ok, it's just my curiosity - the  "hierarchy" of harmfulness/risk for HPPD looks like this LSD> MDMA> WEED> ALCOHOL?

For me, and we are all different.... I am ok with a few beers, my anxiety is a bit higher the next day, but doesn't seem to make me worse, long term (but heavy drinking does). Weed makes me psychotic. LSD and MDMA are out of the question.

But it's is an unfair question to ask.... What If I said weed was less harmful than LSD... You go out and smoke weed and have a full mental breakdown that you never recover from... That's then partly on me.

If you are so desperate to carry on drug taking, you're just gonna have to use your own intuition... and then only take the minimum amount you need to feel good.

 

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1 hour ago, Jay1 said:

For me, and we are all different.... I am ok with a few beers, my anxiety is a bit higher the next day, but doesn't seem to make me worse, long term (but heavy drinking does). Weed makes me psychotic. LSD and MDMA are out of the question.

But it's is an unfair question to ask.... What If I said weed was less harmful than LSD... You go out and smoke weed and have a full mental breakdown that you never recover from... That's then partly on me.

If you are so desperate to carry on drug taking, you're just gonna have to use your own intuition... and then only take the minimum amount you need to feel good.

 

 

Thanks. Is there any meds (or other things) that could help we visual symptoms and reduced them (temporary or permanent, whatever)?

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