trip into hell

hey guys...as some of you might remember swim was considering to try H as a substitute for his tripping panic and just yesterday he met another friend who gave him a bottle of liquid tramadol..now he has had some pretty good experience in the past with this one and also read user reviews from persons who have similar issues...but swim isnt quite sure if he should try one or two drops (recommended dosage: 8 drops)..cause he is a little afraid that it might cause him panic or so.

the user reviews were very positive .hes just not sure enough that this solution fits in swims case

have you had experiences with tramadol helping with tripping anxiety or panic attacks in the past then please let me know..so i can tell swim about it

exposure, dont think too much, think diffirent

what do you mean exactly?

I tried that, it doesn't seem to get any better, though we are all different

youre right...we are all different but there is one thing we all share ..anxiety..though its a different reason for everybody..so i think there are different solutions to this for every individual

youre right...i will do so in the near future....but i always think my life shouldnt be a constant battle for survival..there must be something i could really enjoy without doubt...but there is almost nothing and even the things i do enjoy are just not worth talking about..cause thats not what pleasure really means to me..i guess i have to force myself to smoke big amounts of weed again, as a kind of shock therapy since that also causes anxiety for me, whereas before my onset i usually enjoyed it and so far i have no problems enjoying small amounts these days.. in my first few month even a tiny peace of weed or tobacco (not even noticable for normal people) caused me severe panic attacks...so there must be something i can do to get me back to normal completely..dont you think?

almost always...when im not in town or taking a walk around..

..i know ..it'll make me sick one day but i dont want to do things i can not fully enjoy due to dizzyness, panic or other unwanted sensations cause that also makes me sick

holland is actually a nice place to be..even though im sure youre joking....i cant drive..no matter what vehicle...i get so dizzy and panic..not to forget that it takes a long time to arrive...

What country is that? Are you a minor?

its germany...a very bad place if you need a prescription while having a drug past.

Just use the dark web!

i cant use the dark web because i dont have bitcoins

tramadol was also great for me...but not the pills, just the liquid solution.

you never had a benzo?

no i dont get benzos prescribed..the doctors say i have a drug past and they dont want me to get addicted to something...so i dont get benzos or similar meds with addiction potential...or in other words, they punish me indrictly for having used drugs in life...even though i told them i would never use them dayly or even weekly ...just if panic occurs,,,

i tell you i hate the so called physicians of these days...

oh man...you cant imagnine how badly i want to try benzos..just in case for a panic attack and see if it works...

being axious is part of life..for sure...but certain anxiety levels are pathological...and i would rather spend my whole life being on a specific substance than being full of anxiety 24/7 for the rest of it...

at least im a little lucky because i only get anxious when i experience too strong altered states of mind...like drinking more than 2 beers, smoking too much weed or sitting in a car driving faster than 60 kph.

i hope i will never need a permanent medication to be anxiety free...i want to be completely anxiety free to enjoy life and drugs cause if you can enjoy life you will also enjoy drugs...what i want to say is...the same thing that stops you from enjoying life is the same as what stops you from enjoying drugs....one just needs to find out what it is and fix the issue...i know it sounds way easier than it actually is.

my hppd is gone and im smoking every now and then again...with absolutely no reoccuring symptoms or hppd itself..even though my weed high is still not quite the same..i really fucking enjoy to be high after all...that doesnt mean im telling others to smoke weed, nor do i judge people for not smoking weed. and i dont try to scare people just because they do something i dont like for myself...to my mind everyone is free to do everything that makes him/her comfortable/happy...especially if theres only a few things in life to enjoy..something like being able to smoke weed again can be great for one.

Im 35 ive been there. Just listen to the senior hppders. You will go bad someday on canna

you can not know this...it might be possible or obvious but it isnt sure...besides he said hes not going to use weed so often.

Was your dp pretty worse? Im happy you can enjoy again. Though weed is a major trigger for dp and depression, its your life of course if you go bad on weed 1 time your dp wil go trough the roof and your back at zero

dont try to scare people just because you cant enjoy weed...most dp/dr shit comes through fear of anxiety....a fear you usually cant forget (trauma)...but if hes able to enjoy weed through a specific medication cause the effect enables him to forget about that...im glad for him....maybe one could learn again to not fear being high and enjoy it once without medication..it would be great.

The buspirone has worked so well in the past month ! It started out making me very sad for the first couple weeks but now it feels much better ! Still always feeling like my body is on autopilot but I'm happier and I have less anxiety when I'm on buspirone !

I smoked weed for the first time in 7 months last week and I was actually able to enjoy it again ! I got pretty stoned and it was very good weed plus I smoked a lot more than I used to. Me and my friend had a lot of fun when we were both high af and the high felt as great as it always used to before.

is buspiroe a prescription med.?

is buspirone addictive?

very nice that you enjoy it..you actually sound pretty happy..and im so glad for you that you have gained some hope again...keep us updated in the future about this..

Kind of a funny thing to say after trying to convince everyone that heroin will not be an addiction issue

only because i love weed and dont want to stop completely doesnt mean i do it everyday ....and also ill never do any other substance with addiction potential for long enough to become addicted as well.

Also funny that you are worried about buying benzos off a dealer in case they are cut ( a drug that is so ridiculously cheap to produce and abundent in pure form) but fine buying Heroin off a dealer (a drug that is ALWAYS gonna be cut to shit by the time it reaches Germany).

well its not so much that im worried about dirty pills as im not able to buy them at all cause i dont know somebody who has some...+ i really trust the person i would buy the H from (if i decide to do so)..as i said ..hes an old friend and hes really into that stuff.

why would u try something that the worst case scenario is it works. Addict logic. I know it well

im sorry but i dont think that way...actually its quite annoying for me to hear that from everybody, cause i am not like most people when it comes to addiction...taking heroin is something i would only do if i panic...which is maybe every two month when i smoke too much weed..if H is able to kill panic instantly..why not take a tiny sniff every one or two month...i cant see where this behavior could lead to addiction..especially in my case cause im a very disciplined person..

youre right...maybe i just have to give H a shot to find it out

I was being facetious; rehabs are atrocious in the U.S.

ah i see..

I dont understand Why you keep smoking weed. Its 1 of worst triggers for anxiety, if you have GAD stop the weed. Try something else, have you tried magnesium? It helps me a little for anxiety and sleep. I do take benzos but only at night, day time I walk for 2 hours and try to force me to be social. It really helps! Understand me I still got hppd and GAD. I wish I only had the GAD. You can do something about this.

yes i think so ...it will fade someday...but i cant stop doning something i still love + facing the fear is necessary to overcome anxiety and since my fear is tripping i have to trip and learn to relax again while tripping...

i never tryed magnesium but im eating a lot of fruits and drink many smoothies a day...so i think my diet contains a lot or at least enough magnesium.

 

 

 

This used to work for you ... what changed and when?

 

 

Medical systems can be have become difficult.  More and more they are unyielding institutions - automatons in a factory.  God help a person if they are any different than standard protocol.  Am sympathetic to your frustration and efforts to self medicate.

 

As for weed tea, some have said they do not like the hit from smoking but like the relaxing medicinal effects of tea and eating it (brownies).  While not efficient in extracting the potential, it certainly does qualify as micro-dosing.  But if that doesn't work for you, then that is that.

 

If you can buy weed and heroin on the street ... why not benzos?  For years this country has been inundated with benzos and opiods being sold on the street.  Must be Germany is different.

 

When it comes to naturals, one just has to try them.  Thiamine cocarboxylase is a new idea I've introduced to the community ... and yes am being a little pushy about it.  No idea how it will pan out.  Just one more thing to try out.

 

But if you are still using weed, which is known to have the aftereffects of anxiety, it is hard to know what to say other than the replies your are receiving to discontinue.

 

Self medication is common.  Alcohol is the largely used to self medicate.  People are stressed out and need to chill.  Anxiety is very very common.  And street drugs are also used this way.  You seem to have made your mind up about trying heroin ... what advice are you actually looking for?

 

1. it changed after my hppd was completely over and due to taking valerian everyday i doesnt have effects on me anymore...and it is just a bit calming i never said that valerian could end a panic attack instantly

2. weed tea could be a micro dose but it also means wasting material...i dont want to do this...and if i do a full decarboxylation in order to make most cannabinoids of the used material active..i mostly end up making it way to potent which leads me to panic...just last time when i made canna oil for a friend i just ate the residuals from my fingers..(not even 100mg as i think) and i had a trip full of anxiety..not a panic attack..but i was scared and paranoid..more intense than doing edibles for the first time.

jet i dont know people who sell benzos...and if so i would be scared ..thinking it is something else or even laced with something.

i will always try new naturals...and theamine cocarboxylase is something i will have to buy next month..hope that helps

i wont stop smoking weed and because i only do it so rarely and due to low dosages it doesnt change anything for me other than being happy for the moment and laughing while being alone ..i just cant exceed the dose

the advice (as mentioned above already) i was looking for is if H has the ability to kill panic instantly..and what experience (if at all) people had while trying it in order to ease panic.

Bro, you should admit yourself into a rehab.

i would never go to a rehab again because i hate these stupid, naive, sad  and useless institutions + i dont need to go there, im not addicted to something and i wont ever again

 

For the most part, diamorphine (Heroin) is not used because it is very addictive.  Whereas other opiates are less so.  While moderate doses of opiates are not actually harmful to the brain, there is a prevalent lifestyle where people end up - don't think you are so strong that you won't succumb to addiction.  You may end up on the street or take high a dose and stop breathing.  Don't go there!  It is often the weakest people who reason that they are stronger than others.

 

If you are going to become dependent, stick with an anxiety med such as Klonopin ... if that even helps.

 

"smoking too much weed" is a problem.  For most, any weed is a problem.  Then there are different strains of weed.  Some are known to help 'chill' whereas others 'hype'.  If you are going to do weed (which you shouldn't), then use the strains that chill and then only make tea ... don't smoke it.  Better yet ... find legitimate help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay said it well:

 

 

 

I am no doctor.  But it doesn't take a medical degree or psychological training to see you are in pain with anxiety and depression.

 

Get help today

• Find a head doc to help with CBT.  If you've done this without help, find someone else.  I'll be the first to admit that many docs are useless ... but there are some who genuinely care and help ... and just the experience of finding 'genuine' people helps
• Find a med doc to prescribe you something to take the edge off while you work through issues.  There are meds besides benzos if doc won't prescribe those - especially since you don't have visuals.  What has your doc offered you since she doesn't want to give you something addictive?  If your doctor/clinic is nearby, arrange to pickup 'addictive' benzos each day, one pill at a time - can't be abused when dispensed that way.
• Stay off recreational drugs
• Accept that you exist and just go with it
• Change your surroundings.  If you can't physically do so right now, use your mind a create a place for yourself - half of life is perspective
• Have you tried 'natural' stuff?  How about thiamine cocarboxylase ... its used to treat anxiety http://hppdonline.com/index.php?/topic/5027-thiamine-cocarboxylase/page-5#entry32380  What is there to lose but a few deutschmark ... probably cheaper than the weed you are getting, or heroin you propose to get

 

man as i mentioned above ive already been able to stop heroin use 3 years ago... i had a good time enjoying the high for 2 weeks of snorting up to 5 lines each day..then i decided to stop suddenly and had no problems....i never took it again since then ..so im definately strong enough to ride the dragon...but thats not what i was up to i said i just want to use it if i panic and i always panic if i smoke too much weed which could only possibly happen if i smoke weed and as i told you i use weed just for a week and then i take a 1 month break before i smoke again ...so maybe i wont even have the need to take it due to rare panic situations + i would only use micro doses cause im a very careful and responsible person...i was asking if anyone of you could tell me if H has the ability to kill panic

and i already tryed many different strains but i just want to smoke more than i could handle (rarely)...just to be really stoned once again..but then i mostly panic and this is where the H could help..a little tiny sniff maybe

if i dont smoke the weed it wont have an effect + the cannabinoids are mostly not dissolving in water which is just hot for a few minutes...it takes longer until it becomes orally active if you dont light it up it wont be very effective unless you do a full decarboxylation...i think smoking a little is better since im smoking cigs i can mix a few pieces into my tobacco..thats not the problem its just that i dont want to panic from higher doses or smoking more canna cigs

my doc didnt offer me anything she didnt seem to realize the severity of my condition at all and you are right i will try some other docs but in germany its very hard to find someone who prescribes you something really helpful if it has the potential to be abused...especially if you are young and/or have a drug past....

ive tryed different naturals and none of these was able to kill a panic attack....i even wonder if benzos are able to do so

its not that i do not appreciate your advice...but its not only that i have much experience but also know so much about drugs and myself... most people simply underestimate me...

Seems like a great plan... Having drug induced mental issues that are compounded by marijuana induced anxiety, then eased by heroin... What can go wrong?

Some people might just cut out the marijuana, but adding heroin seems the wisest route.

first of all i have to add that i dont panic from every use of weed and also i dont smoke weed every day i just smoke it on rare occasions and then i do it for a week or so and stop again for at least a month...thats why i want to try it just in case i experience severe panic which i didnt have to deal with for 2 month now cause i never smoke much...if i use H ..then maybe once every two month and only a micro dose ... so i cant risk addiction...im not even addicted to weed..i have better control of my drug use than ever before....its not like using it recreationally..its just against anxiety as medication

Seriously? I would go to a doctor and tell em I have the rls and get some rivotril

my doc knows about my drug abuse and would never give me something i need a prescription for cause she thinks i would become addicted/abuse it and all that bullshit...oh stupid humanity

its the same with me but i dont have hppd anymore...still feel stoned a little bit all the time cause i have to deal with fatigue from my anxiety disorder...sometimes my eyes even hurt or itch and my eyelids are always thick and heavy like im stoned.

since i cant get benzos and i just want to try something against my tripping anxiety i was wondering about trying micro doses of heroin to see if it has the ability to calm me down to normal if i experience panic while on weed or so.

its not that i need it unless i get panic from smoking too much weed and i dont want to get addicted which is quite easy for me..i can really hold back myself before becoming addicted...i mean i did it before my onset and i can do it again...the question is ..has H the ability to help with panic attacks

im asking because an old friend came to town yesterday and said it helps against anxiety and offered me the possibility to buy some..but since its quite expensive i decided to ask if anyone of you also has tripping anxiety or just random panic attacks etc. and tryed H...whats your experience...thanks in advance

all the best

now that you say it..XXXXD it makes me laught too...sry i didnt think about that while typing XD....

maybe you are right but my brain cant be good at all areas..