shaolinbomber

I used to get daily headaches before I went on Methadone maintenance. It's kinda what lead me down the path of opiate addiction. I would dose to get rid of the pains in my head.

The shitty thing is that if you're younger like me and go to a doctor for pain medicine to hep they usually won't give it to you or just tell you to take an OTC medicine.

Just dropped a suboxone for the 1st time in a month.... ahhh, i love opiates. If i could feel like this all the time, i'd consider it a cure.. feel like i could do anything, but not in a fake way, like cocaine.

i'm glad of these small treats every now and again

Indeed friend. It took my awhile to figure this out but I eventually came around. I'm glad I found methadone maintenancec therapy though or I'd probably still be copping dope on the street.

If i eat some MSG or have too much or too little sugar, i get all f'ed up. So I have the tolerance of a 4 year old girl with a heart condition.

I think maybe if i had a months worth of massages and people feeding me grapes, cooking me meals, doing my laundry, and cleaning, I'd be fine.....lol Whether you feel it or not, K is in u long time.

No joke. I stopped taking kpin back in May and did a drug test about 3 weeks later and I were still getting microgram readings of it in my urine.

Was thinking today and realized that because the 5ht2a receptor antagonists make symptoms worse, that is probably a good sign that there is SOMETHING array with the receptors or whatever is connected to the receptors, we need to start compiling all the information we can on receptors and especially these receptors. If anyone can get any info at all that is related to these topics please post. Lets compile everything we can.

Has anyone found any 5ht2a reverse agonists yet?

We had tons of threads about research papers specifically having to do with the 5ht2 feedback loop in the visual cortex involving serotonin and GABA back on the old site. If I get some more free time this week ill try to dig them back up from the internet the repost some of them.

With never getting hppd I mean

Opiates cause quite a bit of dopamine to be released so I figure that might be what causes the decrease in the dissociative aspect of the disorder.

I think the theory of a down regulated 5ht2s receptor in the visual cortex is the most accurate theory we have right now and it makes the most sense. Hallucinogens attach themselves to these receptors and begin to cause rapid firing of the neurons and this causes quite a bit of stress in the synapse so the neurons that are downstream and receiving the big wave of the neurotransmitters can definitely become overloaded, as we know now with HPPD cases, and cause some type of genetic mutation to downregulate certain receptors to protect brain tissue from oxidative stress.

Now say if this theory were true, the problem is that these receptors stay downregulated and create a big problem on those neurons that have lost the receptors. They can no longer properly respond to serotonin and this makes it impossible for them to fire off and release GABA to inhibit and stop the nerve signal. The result is that the neurons are constantly firing and I believe (this is just my uneducated opinion) that we are seeing all of these visuals now because there is nothing there to inhibit the visual excitatory stimuli in the visual cortex.

Klonopin kicks in rather quickly. When I used to take it sublingually I would feel it within 15 minutes of taking it.

I'm currently on Methadone at 75mg/day and I feel much better on it. My visuals stay reduced almost all day and into the next until I get dosed again the next morning. It also helps the dissociation A LOT. This is the biggest relief I get from it. For now this is my temporary "semi-cure" for myself. It will work until something better comes along.

Yeah i know the invisible barrier too..................you ever see Being John Malkovich...lol

Yep. The feeling of not being connected to your surroundings is what I classify DR as atleast in my case. That's one of the worst things about this disorder.

Being John Malkovich is a great movie. I just watched it the other night and immediately began to think about DR at the parts when they're looking through his eyes.

I started a thread about my opinion on HPPD medical therapy using opiates/opioids.

http://hppdonline.com/index.php?/topic/1062-thinking-about-going-on-methadone/

Gene therapy seems to be our best bet for a long term cure at this point.

15-20mg of Adderall and .5mg of Klonopin would do the trick for you. These are controlled substances however and you would need a prescription for both of them from a psychiatrist.

lucky you. This is kind of my most annoying symptom. I can't say if I am sitting in front of my laptop for five minutes or five hours, unless I remember everything I did and guess how long it might have taken to do it.

For me it is really helpful to accept my symptoms. When I don't fight them we live in a nice endosymbiosis. Of course it is really really hard to get to this point and I needed long time for it and it was a tough time, but when you are finally there, everything is easier, mostly.

Moaning doesn't change anything and saying "Oh my god, I am going crazy" too. It could only make everything worse...

but this is only my personal opinion (and I moan a lot about my symptoms, btw)

I get the the loss of the feeling of time as well. It sucks. Everything seems like it happens so quick. I can still tell how much time has passed but it just feels like time moves extremely quickly. It messes witth your head A LOT.

Not the same.

To a very real degree we are like family but in the way veterans who fought at the front line feel a bond of common experiences. You owe me a motherfucking beer if this works and why not? Why can't it be so elegantly simple as a neurochemical geared to restore the brain as we have used neurochemical to screw it all up?

I hope this works god I pray it works.

Still believe in god after 15 years of mental and emotional imprisonment: go figure...

It's nice that you guys still have some enthusiasm towards the possibility, however small it might be, that something could come along that could be considered a "cure" but I've learned not to get your hopes up too much as it sets you up for massive heartbreak and additional emotional struggles.

Hard to say, as I have no first hand experience with either addiction.... But seeing my cousin battle with Heroin, I can't imagine it gets much worse. It is perhaps "easier" to get passed the physical addiction of opiates... But the mental desire is huge and that is the kicker... relapse after relapse. His battle has been 15 years now, he finally seems to have kicked it for good, thankfully.

Benzos don't offer that all emcompassing high, so I imagine... once you have gone through withdrawal (months/years) the desire isn't as strong, as you are not remembering that massive high... although i'm sure the pull of the anti-anxiety and sedating qualities are still very tempting.

Jay is correct here. The hardest part of addiction to opiates is not the initial physical need to relieve WD symptoms but the ever longer craving to fill that mental gap that is created by the drugs. But the thing for me is although I definitely would consider myself addicted I don't see it as that big of a deal because ever since I got HPPD I've felt like shit mentally anyway. I saw no change from when I was sober without addiction to opiates as when I was addicted and sober. So if you look at it from that perspective it was a rather easy choice for me to make.

Also Methadone doesn't create the massive roller coaster ride that Morphine, Heroin or other similar opiates create with the massive highs of euphoria combined with the terrible lows and comedowns. Methadone is one long and steady drug akin to an almost straight line steadily going up on a graph rather than the huge peaks to the huge drops that heroin and/or morphine would look like in comparison.

What one must understand about Methadone maintenance is that it definitely has a lot of downfalls. But you must carefully compare those downfalls to the benefits of it. For me personally, the benefits massively outweigh any of the shortcomings or side effects of the drug or the politics of the Methadone clinic. Giving up some cash and a small part of my day every morning in exchange for nullifying HPPD is worth it ten times over to me.

There is hope in medication but it's all a personal preference imo. I just started Methadone about a week ago and, being high on heroin excluded, this is the best I've felt in a lloonggg time. This is after I've been through a lot of meds, including benzos, and never really found that much relief until now.

Glad to hear that works for you. Do you think it will mask your symptoms, or provide permanent relief?

Oh it's definitely only a band-aid (temporary) fix but full agonist opiates/oids must have a profound effect on whatever part of the brain that's been shaken up with HPPD, whether it's one of the neurotransmitter systems (dopamine, serotonin, endorphins) or a combination of all of them.

All I know is that I feel like myself again. I think it might have to do with the fact that opiates significantly slow down the whole body and the mind and I think this compensates a little for the constant "overdrive" mode that someone is in with HPPD and/or DP/DR symptoms.

So today marks a week for me since I started Methadone Maintenance Treatment and I must say that I feel great. My visuals are reduced for 24 hours a day, my dissociation is drastically reduced as well and I feel more like myself now since this has happened to me 3 and a half years ago.

I don't know if this is a personal perference thing but full agonist opiates/opioids are the only thing that make me feel better mentally and I'm very happy I finally made the choice to get on Methadone. My thoughts aren't always tied up with HPPD and dwelling on the fact that I always feel like shit and always pissed off all the time.

Where has this feeling of happiness been for the past 3 years?????????????????

I like the title for this thread!

Has anyone else here besides me used anabolic steroids?

The only dreams I remember are the ones that I try to use drugs in. The whole dream i'm trying to acquire my drug of choice and finally at the end when i'm about to use I wake up.

The only thing I can find relief in is heavy opiate use...unfortunately. I went down the Methadone road as I lost all patience in waiting for a miracle med. that isn't coming.

Visual is correct. HPPD research has no money in it so trying to get the government to fund it or private individuals with lots of money is a waste of time. It ain't gonna happen.