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individuals lose this ambient visual process and instead are left with a focal processing system that breaks up the visual world into isolated parts.

this sounds like that inmy opinion:

http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/e27265/e42285/e42442/e42444/e42494/index_en.html

the fourth image cant hotlink it sry

i think the movement of letter or carpet pattern wont cause balance problems. its more like the scene in "Fear loathing in Las Vegas" when the two are checkin in at the hotel

This is mentioned in every drug forum of the world and seems to be one of the most "visual disturbances" after psychodelic consumption. the most people having it never heard about HPPD like me 6 years ago.

yeah also crokodile reached germany. they are punching heroin with it. really not funny.

but the weed LSD thing is a myth you cant smoke it iam sure.

Jay i believe if you are not prepared to take LSD it could kick you out of reality.

And yeah sounds liike salvia(but i had never such a bad feeling on it and i smoked alot of extract 6 years ago even under the influence of LSD really wired trips)

but it also could be Spice or another legal herb

these fucking herbs can kick you out of everything....

but you can read up here:

http://www.migraine-aura.org/content/e27891/e27265/e42285/e42442/e42448/index_en.html

that there were also cases of cannabis induced persisting perception disorders

hmm LSD in Weed here in germany are you serius?^^

i think its a myth like lacing weed with pcp i think this happend a few times in the states but never heard of a case here in germany.

if i remember correctly it is not possible to smoke LSD because if it gets to hot it will lose its effect you also shouldnt leave your blotter in the sun because LSD decomposed in warm temperture.

Salvia on the other hand needs really hot tempretures to gets it effekt. we lit our bong allways with a bunsen burner when we used to smoke this fucking herb^^

But as i posted here:

http://hppdonline.co...c/822-cannabis/

weed can do strange things on its own.

because there is too much THC in it today and not enough cannabidiol(CBD)

i had an expierence while smoking a joint on a carousel (these round discs you can find on a playground) i still felt the spinning one hour after leaving it. very strange^^

But mostly cannabis induced visuals are timelimeted (not always but mostly), so stay away of every drug and you possibly will be fine in a few weeks to month

pinhole test,

1 a test performed on a person who has diminished visual acuity to distinguish a refractive error from organic disease. A refractive error may be corrected with glasses, whereas organic disease may signal the development of preventable blindness. Several pinholes, 0.5 to 2 mm in diameter, are punched in a card. The patient selects one and looks through it with one eye at a time, without wearing corrective lenses. If visual acuity is improved, the defect is refractive; if not, it is organic. The pinhole effect results from blocking peripheral light waves, which are most distorted by refractive error.

hmm its only a test maybe it would look a little bit stupid to glue a card with a pinhole infront of your eye.

but if it works you coud try artificial tears or you ask your ophthalmologist for corrective glasses(prisms)

i have another question about your ghosting effect...

You know the pinhole test? make a hole with a needle in a piece of paper and watch through it...

Do you still ahve ghosting while watching through it?

If you dont have it anymore its a refractive error of the eye(dry eye, astigmatism, eyelid pressure)

and not a organic one also its not related to a braindisorder.

My ghosting is completly gone by doing this test.

so seems to be an eye related phenomenom, dont know why i first noticed it post HPPD^^

And wants to share it with you

http://psychedelic-i...ory.com/toc.php

Its the onlineversion of a book which could be interessting

i flew over it and it has a lot of good information about psychodelics, neuroplasticity, human perception and other.

read up about the types of hallucinations they mention 3 diffrent types:

Entoptic:(Phosphenes) think here you could add afterimages, VS and CEVs

Eidetic: geometric webs and grids; distortions of space and time; and photographic images of objects, people, or scenery

Erratic: breathing, melting and movement

These are created in diffrent parts of the brain, eye or visual pathway

Maybe that is why some HPPDer see geometric stuff like faces and others dont. Maybe there are diffrent parts of the brain involved.

Eidetic Hallucinations seems to be connected to the Hippocampus (memory storage) while Entoptic seems to have their origin in the retina and the optic tract.

Maybe this would also explain the part of the diagnostic criteria:

"The re-experiencing, following cessation of use of a hallucinogen, of one or more of the perceptual symptoms that were experienced while intoxicated with the hallucinogen"

some "re-experiences" the eidetic hallucinations while the others "re-experiences" the entoptic phenomenom like VS, Afterimages and CEVs

this are only my conclusions!!

Would like to discuss

which drugs caused your issues?

and are you still using them?

try to cover one eye and read if it is gone its quite normal, the most people could see it if they want if i remember right.

i think HPPD and the attention to your eyesight plays a role with this movement thing:

interessting reads:

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=657k372133m66152&size=largest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_movement

yeah you can ignore the most of them but it is not possible to ignore every symptom the ignoring works for me with symptoms i could enjoy to some degree like movement, breathing (micropsia/macropsia), "comicstyle". if this where my only symptoms i wouldnt give a shit like the last 5 years. this symptoms are gone mostly except i want them to be there and watch for it. But after the VS, Palinopsia and ghosting kicked in it is hard to dont think of them. because you always see them. iam able to control the snow in some way, but i dont know how to ignore the afterimages, trails and ghosting.

Maybe its because i dont connect them to one of my drug experiences. i saw afterimages and trails only while the acid afterglow the next day(s), but they allways went away.

Cant remember seeing VS or ghosting. VS maybe to some extend with laughing gas

i never had a bad trip i allways had nice experiences and i allways was able to have the control of my trips.

my last trip on acid was a little bit stressful because my friend had a bad trip and i had to guide her while i was tripping.

its possible that i have a form of PTSD of this trip dont know maybe this is the reason for my delayed onset while i was in a stressfull period.

And my trails and halos came when i read about it and watched for it maybe they were self induced be thinking about them.

possibly they were there before but i was used to it and never got them into my attention.

Now i cant forget them it is like driving bike, once learned you are allways able to ride a bike.

I think maybe hypnosis would help to forget about the symptoms. think they will stay because i believe its a neurological problem but if you forget about them again youre back at the beginning.

But i dont think that someone is able to hypnotize me because i dont like to let somebody have the controll about me and iam a little bit to rational.

i have these movement of text since my first psychodelic trip 6 or 7 years ago.sometimes it is hard to read teletext hope thats the english word^^

but that never really bothered me on the contrary i liked it.

But this movement can happen to every person even those who have nerver used psychodelics.

like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autokinetic_effect

my bigest problem is the palinopsia dont know who to get rid of it.

i think they are talking about how to amplify there visuals if i read it correctly. but iam only lurking the yuku forum maybe i missed something

i can controll my snow too if i unfocuss my eyes hard to explain i wont see it.

but then i have focussing problems

its alittle bit like being crossed eye.

the eyball touching works for me too.

maybe it has to do with the pupil size like mentioned in this article:

https://www.thieme-connect.de/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2008-1045693

if i go to the cinema and watch a 3D-movie i see the ghosting through the 3D-glasses like you see the movie without it i also see the 3D-effect but there is ghosting on every person, does anybody have this too?

I would say yes there will be a cure, i believe gene therapy or a brain peacemaker could do this. but it could take a while.

first I am sorry that you feel this way

I believe (and yes could be frustrating) you have to live your life now. There are a lot of worse diseases outside which arent curable now(e.g. HIV). People knowing that they have to live with them come to terms and can enjoy there life as good as possible.

Enjoy your life and live every day as if it is the last day of your life.

You could wait for a cure and gettin depressed because it takes time

You could get cured and run euphoric in front of a truck

Maybe there will never be a cure(dont hope so)

unfortunately life isnt predictable

But life is a gift and its the best and most important gift we received.

We only have this one life and cant push the reset button

So do what ever you want to do and do it now it always could be the last day of our life.

I think the best cure is to accept what you have and go on with your life and do what YOU want to do not what others want you to do!

Best wishes and take care!

ive got mild HPPD symptoms six years ago after my first salvia trip, ignored them and took every drug which i could get the symptoms stay stable. three years ago i stopped every drug except of weed,because some of my friends drove insane and i got frightened. ive only had mild symptoms afterwards like moving, breathing, everything looks like in a comic, CEVs maybe some other dont know atm. last yearafter three years of only smoking weed i had a stressful time. got a pneumonia and took some antibiotics. i drank alcohol smoked weed and took the fucking antibiotics. three days after my last pill my vision got snowy and afterimages occured. There a few other symptoms you can read at my post under the introduction area.

Stop all drugs now and it could get better!!

Afew moth after stopping weed my snow has got better i can see the color black again afterimages maybe got a little better.

there are bad days but also good.

maybe its hard because of your friends but if they dont understand its possible time to say goodbay^^

i did that three years ago because drugs were the center of my life, i loved them maybe iam still lovin them but i know i have to lead a life in our modern sociaty (Job, Family...)

Go out and find a girl which doesnt use drugs.

Freunde kommen und gehen, ein leben haste nur eins!!

This is used by Naturopaths because they thing that alot of mental deseases are caused by problems in the brainchemestry. Which seems to be our problem?!

Dont know if this could detect our inbalance(if this is the cause).

But they seem to test Dopamine,Serotonine, GABA, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline, Glutamine,....but they are testing in salvia and urine which is maybe not related to the values in the brain. But if you have for example to much serotonine in it or not enough dopamine could you compare it to the brainchemestry?

Dont know how they could know which are the Standard values, because i think they are diffrent from person to person.

Also i am not a friend of this "New-Age-crap", but maybe this test could detect our inbalance?

Any ideas on this?

Dont know what to do...I cant go to a doctor here because they will put me in a psychatries, thinking that im crazy and dangerous to others...

thats my problem too. i think no german doctor knows about HPPD so i avoid neurologists as long as possible.

All related ICD disorders are psychotic disorders:

F16 Psychische und Verhaltensstörungen durch Halluzinogene: F16.5 Psychotische Störung F16.6 Amnestisches Syndrom F16.7 Restzustand und verzögert auftretende psychotische Störung F16.8 Sonstige psychische und Verhaltensstörungen F16.9

Nicht näher bezeichnete psychische und Verhaltensstörung

And what we all know is that we arent psychotic.

Try to get live your lifeso good and happy as possible and avoid neurologists, if you cant you should lie to them.

i visted my "hausarzt" and ophthalmologist and told them about my visual desturbances so they does the normal checks and every thing was fine. I never mentioned my drug history. Both doesnt refer me to a neurologist so i doesnt have seen one yet.

Avoid all drugs!!! Dont smoke weed, and drink ocassionally if you have to, i only drink nonalcoholic beer.

It will get better or you will be able to cope with your visuals.

Anxiety went in the first weeks in my case, dont know if i have DPDR because i was high for the last ten years so i dont know how it is to feel "normal". But if your comorbid diseases will overhelm you or your visuals doesnt stop to get worse you could travel to Aachen to Dr. Klaus Podoll he did he survey about Persistent Migraine Aura and also knows about HPPD so iam sure he wont put you in psychiatry. I would do so if i cant handle this alone but iam trying my best atm.

Here is a link of starbursts pictures, but i wouldnt watch it because i first noticed Halos and starbursts after searching for it. alot of people see it but are so used to it

http://www.visionsimulations.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=152

http://www.migraine-...4/index_en.html

something about HPPDart there is also the excerpt of kurt cobain in the end...

also van gogh seems to have HPPD but they call it:

temporal lobe epilepsy precipitated by the use of absinthe in the presence of an early limbic lesion

http://ajp.psychiatr...rticleid=175449

but i think it fits better under HPPD but as you KNOW the most dont KNOW about it

His famous self-portrait seems to be full of visual snow^^

And some say he cuts his ear because of Tinnitus.

And the painting of Georges Seurat, The Eiffel Tower, 1889

Also seems to be full of VS.

I think its very hard to get statistics about the prevalence of HPPD because in my opinion a lot of psychonauts have symptoms to some extend, but never searched medical help.And the others maybe have wrong diagnosis or no diagnosis.

If you read several Internetcommunitys there are a lot of possible reasons of these symptoms for example: PMA(the migraine thing), HPPD, Palinopsia, Stress, Anxiety, several esoterik reasons(this persons never are searching help they see it often as a gift) ever heard of Kundalini awekening? Krishna G. Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man. Shambhala, 1997.,

and this are only some possibilitys, Dont want to mention the mercury poisining and the other (sorry) "new age crap".

In my opinion there is ONE underlyind cause, read up about the mechanism of Drugs, Migraine, Anxiety....they are all messing with your neurotransmitters(Dopamin,Serotonin)...maybe then we come to the genetic component and fucking predefined Brains.

like if 10000 people go into a house which is built for 5 and partying, some day the house will collapse and the partypeople stand in the garden, if the 5 owners of the house are comming back they have no home anymore

if there would be a better cooperation maybe the science would be a step further. But people without a drug history dont want to be lumped with people with a drug history. People with drughistory especially users of halluzinogens say it has to be the drugs.

Spiritually people say it must be the snake Kundalini which is crawling up your spine...

Sorry for my writing excesses

And happy easter to all of you!

i found a link which is in german and also in english but its not so detailed like some other german studys about it.

https://www.thieme-c.../s-2008-1045693

they call it: Venetian Blind Phenomenon

seems to be a german problem like HPPD an american lool, here you dont have altered vision you are psychotic

fu the ICD

BTW Dali never used drugs but his paintings are very Acid/HPPD inspired

I don't do drugs. I am drugs.

Is your ghosting always the same?

I mainly have it in my left eye.

My ghosting is bad while squinting(both eyes), i read that the most of you have this too?!

But i also noticed that my ghosting is worse after staying to long infront of my computer(dreyeye?).

And another point is it is worse in the evening.

After awekening in the morning it is gone and it develops again in the daytime.

When i yawn(hope this is the right word) it is also away for a few seconds.

Could be i sign of dryeyes?! but drops doesnt work!

i also have a slight astigmatism, but glasses doesnt work too.

never noticed it before the other symptoms kicked in.

i read that this could also be a sign of the eyelid puts a pressure on the eye (in german: Rolladenphänomen, meaning shutters phenomenon? cant find the english term. ), this would also explain why it is gone after awekining. also my eyelid of the left eye is bigger or hangs deeper in the eye.

And why did i first noticed it after all this started....am i more aware of my eyesight, has the brain filtered it out before?

i know you possible not able to answer my questions,but maybe we could find things that are equal or diffrent.

here is another link which could be interessting

http://ucsdnews.ucsd...lth/potpnas.htm

Some of the reported effects of the use of marijuana and hashish include the perception of a snowy visual field, increased light intensity and altered vision. In fact, Straiker said his interest in seeking CB1 receptors in the retina was sparked in part by accounts of dramatic alterations in visual perception following marijuana use.

I believe that my heavy cannabis consumption in the past is related to my symptomes. maybe only as a kind of trigger or what ever.

i researched and find an article:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21572239

a fewmonth ago i was able to read the whole article but there is only the abstract left now.

i think that this also could trigger my HPPD long after my last acid trip, if weed could do this alone but timelimeted as the study stated.

i left the most of my old "drug" friends behind after stopping all this. because of the temptation to do it agsin. not because of them, they were really good friends.

nowadays when i go clubbing i use to drink nonalcoholic beer, this is really good here.

As i mentioned in my introduction my onset was i think three years after my last acid trip alittle bit unusual. but there were symptoms directly after my first salvia trip 6 or 7 years ago which i ignored.

Hello community,

I was lurking this forum for a few month now and finally decided to sign up and tell you my story, i think it could be interessting, and i would like to hear your opinions.

First the obligatory sorry for my englisch, iam from germany

Afew years ago i used to experiment with alot of drugs for maybe four years.(if you want to know which i can tell you later but the list is long ).

three years ago i stopped every drug except of pot. i was a heavy pot smoker for a decade and first stopped after my symptoms started(6 month ago). i used to smoke seven or eight joints per day.

my first symptoms occured after my first salviatrip the normal breathin or floating wall shit never was concernd of it. this never diminished in the last three years, i thought it was the pot which let me trip.

at summer last year cant say exactly a new symptom occurred corners of white walls beginn to vibrate. Again i thought must be the pot and not bothering at all. in august last year i went to bed very high and got panick while falling asleep. it was alittle bit like sleepapnoe or feeling the REMsleep commin dunno. this was happening two times and only in august. after awekening of the panik dont think i really slept at this time i saw phosphens/static and the second time the purkinje's tree. again i thought must be the weed. a few minutes later i finally fall asleep.

then in the end of septemper i got a pneumonia. went to the doc and he prescriped me antibiotics. didnt stop smoking pot but used a vaporizer because of the cough. after a few days the pneumonia was gone and on the next monday i went to a excursion of my education (dont know if this is the right word ). I had to take the antibiotics till tuesday and had a couple of beers and pot on monday and tuesday.

then on thursday we was at a "dinner in the dark" dont know if you knew this: its when you sit in completly dark and eat, fuck this . Since my drug experience i cant see completly dark colors were every where floating in the room. i was very high while this dinner and got panik because of feeling like a blind person. As the lights go on again every thing was grainy for maybe 10minutes. After this we went back to the hostel and i drank alot liquor. After this night we drove back home and i only slept 3 hours. At home i smoked another split and went to bed at noon after awekening in the afternoon there was the snow

a week later i went to my doc to run blood tests and so normal crap everything was ok. then i went to the ophthalmologist again everthing was fine. she said could be related to my scoliosis went to my orthopaedist he says "could be dont know".

so i decided to ask dr. google: and find some people with this visual desturbances an spine problems but sounded more like quaks thinking everything is related to spine problems. so i googled more an found visual snow and Migraine/HPPD. Never had problems with migraines and no one in my family has migraine. so i think it must be HPPD after my very long and excessive drug history.

The only thing i cant get is why this delay or this worsening in the last year. I had alot of stress and iam in my mid twentys maybe corelated dunno. Maybe the antibiotics bring it up.....

So enough bad english for the beginning

my symptoms are:

visual snow/static

afterimages negatives/only a few positiv(mostly of light sources like headlights)

trails

halos and starbursts around lights and halos around bright things infront of dark background

movement of carpet pattern

ghosting mostly in the left eye an worse while squinting

lightsensitive this started shortly after my 20th lsd trip i think

floaters (was able to see them as child but got alittle worse)

some micropsia/macropsia only at the beginning 6 month ago

maybe afew more but dont know atm.

Also i got a few crazy flashbacks 4 times in this 6 month, where everything is breathing and melting.

After stopping weed 5 month ago and going to gym 4 times a week the most symptoms improves alot over time the movement is mostly gone static and afterimages has also improved but are still there when looking for them. maybe they will disappear in a few month to years. But this is not so bad comparable to what had happend to me because of my drug history.

take care and greetings from germany.